. in the direct ground combat environment, women don't have an equal opportunity to survive or to help fellow soldiers survive. we have 30 years of studies on this and reports. it's not even in question. that's only the physical issue. >> i'd like to argue that point physically ready. i don't think these women who file a lawsuit would agree with you at all especially since one of them said "we're already fighting alongside our male counterparts." they returned fire, they dragged wounded comrades to safety, they engage the enemies. she says women are already doing this. they're physically capable of doing that. there's proof of that. this woman in particular won a purple heart for her bravery. >> again, definitions are important, as i said, yes, women are in harm's way, they are defending themselves, they are engaging the enemy, but they are not in the units we're talking about today, carol, direct ground combat, infancy battalions, the tip of the spear, special operations forces, marine and army infantry, that's what we're talking about. so although we respect and honor women who have served